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		<title>Wisq: Updated old statement and added new one.</title>
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				<updated>2005-07-31T05:44:23Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Updated old statement and added new one.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;← Older revision&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 05:44, 31 July 2005&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l9&quot; &gt;Line 9:&lt;/td&gt;
&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot;&gt;Line 9:&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What you need to map stuff properly is to get the program 'jstest', available (at least in Debian) as part of the 'joystick' package.&amp;#160; Locate your joystick device (/dev/input/js* or /dev/js*) and run jstest on it, then frob some of the controls around.&amp;#160; Things should become apparent quite quickly, and you may find some cool stuff (like my hand sensor). &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] 13:29, 30 Jul 2005 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What you need to map stuff properly is to get the program 'jstest', available (at least in Debian) as part of the 'joystick' package.&amp;#160; Locate your joystick device (/dev/input/js* or /dev/js*) and run jstest on it, then frob some of the controls around.&amp;#160; Things should become apparent quite quickly, and you may find some cool stuff (like my hand sensor). &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] 13:29, 30 Jul 2005 (PDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:I formalised all this info and added it to the page itself.&amp;#160; Should hopefully help other people in confusing situations like mine. &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] 22:44, 30 Jul 2005 (PDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;== Linux joystick buttons broken in 0.4.3? ==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Am I the only one to find my joystick failed to press '''any''' buttons whatsoever in 0.4.3?&amp;#160; I installed the Debian package, in total default configuration (no &amp;quot;vssetup&amp;quot;, no manual editing, defaulting to &amp;quot;normal joystick&amp;quot;), and not even the fire button would do anything.&amp;#160; I installed the 0.4.3 binary release, but it segfaulted on startup.&amp;#160; I compiled 0.4.3 from source, but buttons still failed to work.&amp;#160; Finally, I updated to the latest CVS version, and everything works great.&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;Surely someone would have noticed if Linux joystick support was almost completely broken in 0.4.3 &amp;amp;hellip; right? &amp;amp;mdash; [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] 22:44, 30 Jul 2005 (PDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Wisq</name></author>	</entry>

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		<id>https://wiki.vega-strike.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Talk:Manual:Config:Advanced:Bindings:Joystick&amp;diff=3515&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Wisq: /* SideWinder (and other) joysticks under Linux */ Signed it.</title>
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				<updated>2005-07-30T20:29:47Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;‎&lt;span dir=&quot;auto&quot;&gt;&lt;span class=&quot;autocomment&quot;&gt;SideWinder (and other) joysticks under Linux: &lt;/span&gt; Signed it.&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; style=&quot;background-color: white; color:black; text-align: center;&quot;&gt;Revision as of 20:29, 30 July 2005&lt;/td&gt;
				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l8&quot; &gt;Line 8:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As for buttons, things are a little more normal: Buttons 0 through 7 are directly mapped to the trigger through button 8 on the joystick.&amp;#160; Rather cute, however, is the pseudo button 11, which is &amp;quot;pressed&amp;quot; when the infrared sensor detects the hand leaving the joystick.&amp;#160; I could see some fun with this, like making it a jump, dock, or pause button. :)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;As for buttons, things are a little more normal: Buttons 0 through 7 are directly mapped to the trigger through button 8 on the joystick.&amp;#160; Rather cute, however, is the pseudo button 11, which is &amp;quot;pressed&amp;quot; when the infrared sensor detects the hand leaving the joystick.&amp;#160; I could see some fun with this, like making it a jump, dock, or pause button. :)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What you need to map stuff properly is to get the program 'jstest', available (at least in Debian) as part of the 'joystick' package.&amp;#160; Locate your joystick device (/dev/input/js* or /dev/js*) and run jstest on it, then frob some of the controls around.&amp;#160; Things should become apparent quite quickly, and you may find some cool stuff (like my hand sensor).&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;What you need to map stuff properly is to get the program 'jstest', available (at least in Debian) as part of the 'joystick' package.&amp;#160; Locate your joystick device (/dev/input/js* or /dev/js*) and run jstest on it, then frob some of the controls around.&amp;#160; Things should become apparent quite quickly, and you may find some cool stuff (like my hand sensor). &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;&amp;amp;mdash; [[User:Wisq|Wisq]] 13:29, 30 Jul 2005 (PDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Wisq: Stuck a header in.</title>
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				<updated>2005-07-30T20:28:50Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Stuck a header in.&lt;/p&gt;
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				&lt;/tr&gt;&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-lineno&quot; id=&quot;mw-diff-left-l1&quot; &gt;Line 1:&lt;/td&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot;&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color:black; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;==SideWinder (and other) joysticks under Linux==&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Regarding the comment about the bindings not working in Linux: One thing to keep in mind is that the Linux joystick drivers (particularly my USB-based one) can receive inputs in the weirdest ways.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f9f9f9; color: #333333; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #e6e6e6; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Regarding the comment about the bindings not working in Linux: One thing to keep in mind is that the Linux joystick drivers (particularly my USB-based one) can receive inputs in the weirdest ways.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<id>https://wiki.vega-strike.org/mediawiki/index.php?title=Talk:Manual:Config:Advanced:Bindings:Joystick&amp;diff=3509&amp;oldid=prev</id>
		<title>Wisq: SideWinder (and other) joysticks under Linux</title>
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				<updated>2005-07-30T20:25:11Z</updated>
		
		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;SideWinder (and other) joysticks under Linux&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Regarding the comment about the bindings not working in Linux: One thing to keep in mind is that the Linux joystick drivers (particularly my USB-based one) can receive inputs in the weirdest ways.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
For example, on my joystick, I've got standard movement, twist action, a throttle, a digital hatswitch, and eight buttons: one trigger, three thumb buttons, four base buttons.  But Linux sees my joystick as having 11(!) axes and 20(!!) buttons.  So things are mapped a little differently.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On mine, for example, axes 0 and 1 are the left-right and up-down respectively (normal).  Axis 4 is the left-right twist action, not 2 or 3 as you would expect.  Axis 5 is the throttle.  And even though the hatswitch is digital, axes 6 and 7 are the hat left-right and up-down, respectively &amp;amp;mdash; but they're always either -1, 0, or +1.  The rest seem to be unused.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As for buttons, things are a little more normal: Buttons 0 through 7 are directly mapped to the trigger through button 8 on the joystick.  Rather cute, however, is the pseudo button 11, which is &amp;quot;pressed&amp;quot; when the infrared sensor detects the hand leaving the joystick.  I could see some fun with this, like making it a jump, dock, or pause button. :)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What you need to map stuff properly is to get the program 'jstest', available (at least in Debian) as part of the 'joystick' package.  Locate your joystick device (/dev/input/js* or /dev/js*) and run jstest on it, then frob some of the controls around.  Things should become apparent quite quickly, and you may find some cool stuff (like my hand sensor).&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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