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* Did she eventually succeed at getting his hologram?
 
* Did she eventually succeed at getting his hologram?
 
* Wouldn't Menesch be the type to sell the holo to both Retros and kats? (Oh yes he would...)
 
* Wouldn't Menesch be the type to sell the holo to both Retros and kats? (Oh yes he would...)
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'''Q17: What's taking the kats so long getting to Delta Prime, if they are already in Gamma?'''
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* What are you trying to kill me with the questions? Let's see...
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* The Retro infiltrator in the ES knows EXACTLY what area to explore.
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* How many systems do you know that only have two jump points? In and out?
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* What are the chances of finding a long row of them? (Xytani, Rygannon, Delta, Beta, Gamma, DeltaPrime)
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* Not too likely, huh? Well, they don't need to tell you that each of those systems probably has 3, 4 or 5 jump pointss each; they just tell you the one you need to know about. The Retros got the map. The kats only know, possibly the general area, from the Mandarin informant in the ES. But they have to search all jump points exhaustively.
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'''A17: Probably they are trying many other jump points in those systems you don't even know exist.'''
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I'd say, the ES Retro infiltrator knows exactly where
 
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Here there come some missing missiond from Lynch in New Detroit. Captin Cocksniff found a transcript of the dialogues that contains these missions, but he never noticed them in the game (nor did I, chuck_starchaser), but, to summarize them, if you land in New Detroit, someone is supposedly installing the Steltek gun in your ship, but says he can't finish the work, and that you must go see Lynch at the bar. Lynch says he wants you to fly missions for him, in exchange for his returning your gun. You tell him he can't do that and he says he can, that all the militias in New Det are a mere entry in his expense account.
 
Here there come some missing missiond from Lynch in New Detroit. Captin Cocksniff found a transcript of the dialogues that contains these missions, but he never noticed them in the game (nor did I, chuck_starchaser), but, to summarize them, if you land in New Detroit, someone is supposedly installing the Steltek gun in your ship, but says he can't finish the work, and that you must go see Lynch at the bar. Lynch says he wants you to fly missions for him, in exchange for his returning your gun. You tell him he can't do that and he says he can, that all the militias in New Det are a mere entry in his expense account.
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The rest of Privateer is rather epic; but our analysis need not be over yet. Let's take a look at the money flow picture:
 
The rest of Privateer is rather epic; but our analysis need not be over yet. Let's take a look at the money flow picture:
Government takes money from taxes to pay for the military. If the military woud somehow get extra money from somewhere, they'd appear to be spending more money than they get, and that would raise some eyebrows.
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Government takes money from taxes to pay for the military. If the military would somehow get extra money from somewhere, they'd appear to be spending more money than they get, and that would raise some eyebrows.
We know from RF that Menesch used to do biz with 'Confeds' buying Talons and reselling them to Retros and pirates. The confeds couldn't just spend this money as part of their budget. The money goes to get spent into something secret. Black Ops? Black Lance?
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We know from RF that Menesch used to do biz with 'Confeds', buying Talons and reselling them to Retros and pirates. The confeds couldn't just spend this money as part of their budget. The money goes to get spent into something secret. Black Ops? Black Lance?
  
 
Tolwyn doesn't strike me as a bad guy at all; more of an idealist, in fact; but he seems to believe that the ends justify the means, and will stop at nothing to see his plan through, including having deals with Menesch (as well as with Lynch, Lang, Kroiz...). But mobs deal with pirates, not with retros. Menesch, as corrupted as he is, he's a politician, not a seasoned mobster. He's no idea what he's getting himself into. Even corrupt Confeds cut him off when he began to deal with the retros. What does he do? Make a deal with the kats... Maybe he thought it clever, but thing is, he's rocking the boat too much:
 
Tolwyn doesn't strike me as a bad guy at all; more of an idealist, in fact; but he seems to believe that the ends justify the means, and will stop at nothing to see his plan through, including having deals with Menesch (as well as with Lynch, Lang, Kroiz...). But mobs deal with pirates, not with retros. Menesch, as corrupted as he is, he's a politician, not a seasoned mobster. He's no idea what he's getting himself into. Even corrupt Confeds cut him off when he began to deal with the retros. What does he do? Make a deal with the kats... Maybe he thought it clever, but thing is, he's rocking the boat too much:
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If it's true that mining is mainly controlled by the mobs, they got ship manufacturers in a vice: Demand-side they are the ones who resell them to the pirates; supply side they control the ores. And they can pit the Confeds illegally selling decomissioned craft against the manufacturers' new ships, to get good prices off both.
 
If it's true that mining is mainly controlled by the mobs, they got ship manufacturers in a vice: Demand-side they are the ones who resell them to the pirates; supply side they control the ores. And they can pit the Confeds illegally selling decomissioned craft against the manufacturers' new ships, to get good prices off both.
 
So here comes this guy, and BOOM!; cheap Kilrathi-made ships flooding the market from the retro side... No wonder Lynch hates Menesch!
 
So here comes this guy, and BOOM!; cheap Kilrathi-made ships flooding the market from the retro side... No wonder Lynch hates Menesch!
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'''Q18: What about whistle blowers?'''
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* Tolwyn controls the Black Operations Group who are so secretive they don't know themselves.
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* You probably wouldn't stick your nose unless it itches sooo badly...
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'''A18: Whistles make no sound outside an air lock.'''
  
 
But now, what about militias?
 
But now, what about militias?
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The Confeds are officially against the pirates, but they wouldn't try to kill their customers, would they? Nor would they have their minion militias do so. But somebody has to fight the pirates, or else they wouldn't need ships! Okay, well, let the local funded militias do so. Right? Who's paying for the local militias? Well, the confed funded militias probably have some nominal aid program by which they match any money donated privately with an equal amount on their part; I'm just speculating. Private biz have good reasons to donate to militias... But so do the mobs, to prevent un-planned instances of law enforcement happening.
 
The Confeds are officially against the pirates, but they wouldn't try to kill their customers, would they? Nor would they have their minion militias do so. But somebody has to fight the pirates, or else they wouldn't need ships! Okay, well, let the local funded militias do so. Right? Who's paying for the local militias? Well, the confed funded militias probably have some nominal aid program by which they match any money donated privately with an equal amount on their part; I'm just speculating. Private biz have good reasons to donate to militias... But so do the mobs, to prevent un-planned instances of law enforcement happening.
That's why, probably, there are 'hunters': When something 'really' needs to be done, forget underpaid militias with too many conflicting interests to juggle; just hire someone who will do the job single-mindedly.
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That's why, probably, there are 'hunters': When something '''really''' needs to be done, forget underpaid militias with too many conflicting interests to juggle; just hire someone who will do the job single-mindedly.
 
But who are the main employers of hunters?
 
But who are the main employers of hunters?
  

Revision as of 14:53, 15 September 2005

== Privateer == Yeah, let's take it apart... Note: If you're not familiar with the story, play Privateer Remake before reading any further.


Q1: Allright, you meet Sandoval, but who is he, really?

  • Later, Tayla says she 'used to do business with him'... (Hmmm, sounds like some rich guy, after all, Tayla is a pirate boss of sorts, not a drug-runner herself
  • Tayla also says the police have postered your mug all over town, in connection to his murder... (Sandoval must be someone important...)
  • Much later Monkhouse mentions Sandoval, saying that 'he seemed to hold that artifact dearer than his life', paraphrasing... (How does Monkhouse know about Sandoval? Did Sandoval reside in Palan?)
  • Someone wealthy and important, who may have resided in Palan, what business do we know of, based in Palan?

A1: Sandoval was probably Rondell's owner or shareholder.


Q2: Sandoval has a valuable artifact; does it really belong to him?

  • Tayla mentions he 'stole it from his previous owner'... (Did she know his previous owner?)

Q3: Who was the previous owner?

  • Assume Tayla knew the previous owner, whom do you know she knows?

Q4: Now Tayla is sitting there..., but who sent her? Not Sandoval... Perhaps the artifact's previous owner?

  • When, later, you're doing missions for Lynch, he suggests he needs to 'borrow' the artifact to look at it... Burrows refuses, of course; but the next time you see Lynch, he says his people have looked at a hologram of it... (Hmmm... How did Lynch get a hologram of the artifact?)

A2: Sandoval indeed stole the artifact. A3: Lynch was the artifact's previous owner. A4: Lynch sent Tayla to meet you.


Q5: Why doesn't Lynch, then, appear to be too concerned to get his artifact back, like, IMMEDIATELY? A5: He doesn't need it; --he has a holo already. His only concern is that it doesn't end in the wrong hands... (Rondell)


So, Tayla gives you dangerous missions, probably as instructed by Lynch, to try and help Death happen to meet you, without implicating her or Lynch, but the plan doesn't seem to work. Lynch figures he can do a better job than Tayla, so she sends you over to him. He fails to have you get killed also, and finally has his own personal bodyguard try and get the artifact away from you in a more direct way... Doh! And I'm sure he deeply regrets having mentioned Oxford... The Mother of all Freudian slips...


Q6: Masterson pays you 10,000 credits to protect Hunter Toth: Is that out of Oxford University funds?

  • He says the University is cash strapped, and wouldn't the university expect Hunter Toth to pay for his own protection? I mean, protecting book shipments, getting rid of data-stealing pirates, that's okay... but paying to protect a speaking visitor? Hmmm...

A6: Masterson is probably dishing out those 10,000 credits out of his own pocket. (But why?...)


Q7: Lynn Murphy says that Bronte has layed siege to Palan to cut off Rondell's food exports. True?

  • Paying for the services of hundreds of mercenaries hardly seems justified by the dismal profits in the food business...
  • Not only that, if Bronte is in the food biz, it probably doesn't have that kind of money in the first place!
  • Someone has the money to do that, and a better reason than 'food exports' to lay siege to Palan and Rondell...
  • And this someone doesn't want to get him/herself implicated, and so uses Bronte to lay siege on a food exports excuse, but pays for the cost of hiring the merceneries...
  • Who would be so rich, so powerful, and so angry at Rondell? Why? And besides anger, what do Rondell have that could be so valuable?
  • Sandoval was possibly the owner or a major shareholder of Rondell, and he stole the artifact from Lynch. That gives Lynch a reason to be angry, perhaps...
  • But Monkhause had published the fact that his piece of Steltek glyphs represented part of a map, and the fact that Sandoval stole this piece from Lynch proves to Lynch that Sandoval, therefore Rondell, ought to have the other piece, or a holo of it (othewise why the keenness, right?).
  • So Lynch, who apparently controls Bronte, paid for that siege of Palan out of his deep pockets in order to get the other piece of the map, or its holo, from Rondell; but had Bronte act as a front for the operation. (And doesn't 'Bronte' sound like 'Fronte'?)

A7: False --but Murphy probably believes the official story, anyways (we'll get to her..)


Q8: Monkhouse says he was kidnapped and taken to Palan by some corporation. Which? Q9: And he says the compound was bombed from space... By who?

  • According to the records at the library, Rondell is financing Monkhouse's excavations in Palan.
  • The fact that Monkhouse doesn't want to name the corporation means he perceives some risk doing so.
  • Palan is controlled by Rondell, so it's obvious which corporation he feels threatened by.
  • Would anyone kidnap a scientist to excavate? No, something more concrete than 'discovery' must be at stake.
  • And Monkhouse says he was being "interrogated" at a compound, not forced to dig.
  • He was working on no excavation in Palan, probably; rather hiding from his former captors, and so the library record was false, and probably resulted from a misleading statement by Rondell officials, therefore...

A8: Monkhouse was kidnapped by Rondell and taken to Palan (yes, CC, you were right)

  • Neither a Talon, nor a Demon, can 'bomb a planet from space'; you need some heavy firepower for that...
  • What kind of ship has heavy guns? Some capship?
  • Who has capships? The Confeds and the Kilrathi.
  • Which of the two seem to have an interest in Monkhouse? The Kilrathis, who intercept you to try and get Monkhouse.

A9: The Kilrathi seem to want to grab Monkhouse alive, so they brought a fleet to bomb the compound and free him from his captors (but captors, Rondell people, managed to take a holo of his piece of the map, anyhow).


Q10: What does Lynn Murphy know about all this? Q11: Who's she working with/for?

  • If she knew about Monkhouse and the Steltek, she'd have grabbed him before you. In fact, she says, 'did you find your friend?'

A10: She knows nothing about what's going on.

  • She says she's hiring people to break the blockade but you end up doing all the work... (Hunters won't work for her?)
  • She dresses in some kind of military uniform or fatigue...
  • In the final mission, she gives you two militia escorts...
  • But much later, in RF, she says that Menesch is a "thorn on her side"... (NOT on her front; on her side)
  • If Menesch was her enemy or target, he wouldn't be a thorn on her side, but on her front
  • Rather, he creates problems for her and her mission. What's her mission?

A11: We'll come back to this...


Q12: What happens to Monkhouse?

  • He says he's going to charter a luxury cruiser back to civilization... But where's that?
  • The library record said he studied in Sol, and later at Oxford. Probably Sol. Long trip...
  • Will he make it? Highly unlikely... Will he die? Eventually, but the kats want him alive...

A12: He probably ends up in Kilrah.


Q13: Why is Taryn Cross' rear end under so much pressure?

  • She doesn't mention Confeds or Militias or politicians being interested in exploring Delta Prime, just 'HQ'.
  • Who the hell IS 'HQ', anyways? The confeds were not getting involved in Palan, Terrel is clue-less, and if the Militias were involved, Murphy would have known her mission well; instead she said 'have you found your friend yet?'. She knows nothing. So neither Militias nor Confeds know the first thing what's going on, so someone who responds to neither is somehow 'HQ', even though the ES is supposed to be a branch of government?! I smell a rat...
  • Doesn't the Retro informant in RF mention that the reason Eden is hidden is that the Retros had an infiltrator in the Exploratory Services who kept the jump point off the records?
  • But we know from RF that the Kilrathi and the Retros are allied, and the kats know what's going on... BINGO!

A13: 'HQ' is a Retro infiltrator in the ES urging exploration of Delta Prime for their own benefit.


Q14: Why are the kats exploring that area as well as the Retros (through the ES)?

  • Well, would the Retros and the kats really trust each other that much?

A14: The Retros and the kats are trying to beat each other to it.


Q15: Why pirates there? Q16: Why do you have to return each time to Rygannon for results analysis?

  • Presumably jump point analysis equipment is restricted sales.
  • Presumably rogue factions would be interested in finding unexplored systems to base their bases in
  • Presumably this would put jump point analysis equipment in high demand
  • Presumably pirates would care to take such equipment from ES ships
  • Presumably the ES learnt it's better to keep the analysis equipment at a secure base...

A15: Pirates are waiting for ES ships carrying valuable equipment. A16: You have to return each time because the ES doesn't trust just anybody with such coveted equipment.


Q16: How did the Retros and the Kats know where to look?

  • That's a tough question, and if the previous ramblings were speculative, after what follows they will seem like facts by comparison... :-)
  • We could wonder about Masterson: When you get your artifact analyzed at Oxford, he might have saved a copy of the holo.
  • According to the library records, Monkhouse studied at Oxford, so he probably knew Masterson. Would Masterson have a holo of Monkhouse's piece, and together with yours be able to figure out the map? Obviously; but then, why would Masterson give this info to the Retros or the Kilrathi, let alone both of them? Somebody made good money selling the info twice! And Masterson doesn't seem like that type.
  • The next time you meet Tayla, in RF, she is relocating from Pantonville to Sherwood. Is she escaping from Lynch?
  • But then, where did the kats and retros get the other piece of the map?
  • Perhaps Menesch controlled Rondell, just like Lynch controlled Bronte? That would give Lynch one more good reason to throw all his eggs at the siege of Palan: Menesch is his sworn enemy...
  • That might explain how the Retros might know, but not the kats...
  • Well, the kats have Mandarin informants, who might also have someone in the ES...

A16: Your guess is probably as good as mine, but...

  • Tayla used to 'do business with' Sandoval, who was Rondell, (associated with Menesch?)
  • Was Tayla herself originally associated with Menesch, then defected to Lynch?
  • Or did she come to New Detroit to try and get the artifact off Lynch for Menesch, should Sandoval fail?
  • Did she eventually succeed at getting his hologram?
  • Wouldn't Menesch be the type to sell the holo to both Retros and kats? (Oh yes he would...)

Q17: What's taking the kats so long getting to Delta Prime, if they are already in Gamma?

  • What are you trying to kill me with the questions? Let's see...
  • The Retro infiltrator in the ES knows EXACTLY what area to explore.
  • How many systems do you know that only have two jump points? In and out?
  • What are the chances of finding a long row of them? (Xytani, Rygannon, Delta, Beta, Gamma, DeltaPrime)
  • Not too likely, huh? Well, they don't need to tell you that each of those systems probably has 3, 4 or 5 jump pointss each; they just tell you the one you need to know about. The Retros got the map. The kats only know, possibly the general area, from the Mandarin informant in the ES. But they have to search all jump points exhaustively.

A17: Probably they are trying many other jump points in those systems you don't even know exist. I'd say, the ES Retro infiltrator knows exactly where


Here there come some missing missiond from Lynch in New Detroit. Captin Cocksniff found a transcript of the dialogues that contains these missions, but he never noticed them in the game (nor did I, chuck_starchaser), but, to summarize them, if you land in New Detroit, someone is supposedly installing the Steltek gun in your ship, but says he can't finish the work, and that you must go see Lynch at the bar. Lynch says he wants you to fly missions for him, in exchange for his returning your gun. You tell him he can't do that and he says he can, that all the militias in New Det are a mere entry in his expense account. His first mission is to elliminate his cousin Regis before he gets transported to a court where he'd testify. His last mission for you is to take out some ore transports as they leave a mine in Hyades. He says the ore from there is too high quality to allow it into the market, threatening his interests. Seems like the mob are in the mining business... He says that a competitor controls that source, and names the competitor as 'Damien Lang'. We'll have to look at the relationships between the mafia families, Lang, Menesch, Lynch and Kroiz.. "Privateer Extraordinaire"...


Now you have your gun back and functional and are followed by the green egg. You have to land in a mining base other than Rygannon to be met by Goodin at the bar. What's with Origin and mining? You start the game in a mining base. Pirate bases are mining bases. The ES is working off a mining base. You meet Monte and the Retro informant at mining bases, and Monte goes into hiding at a mining base. At the end of RF Lynch goes to hide in a mining base. Goodin now meets you anywhere you are, as long as you are at a mining base. Hmmm... Except for Lynn Murphy: She NEVER meets you at a mining base. (Well nor do Terrel or Masterson but it's obvious why.)


The rest of Privateer is rather epic; but our analysis need not be over yet. Let's take a look at the money flow picture: Government takes money from taxes to pay for the military. If the military would somehow get extra money from somewhere, they'd appear to be spending more money than they get, and that would raise some eyebrows. We know from RF that Menesch used to do biz with 'Confeds', buying Talons and reselling them to Retros and pirates. The confeds couldn't just spend this money as part of their budget. The money goes to get spent into something secret. Black Ops? Black Lance?

Tolwyn doesn't strike me as a bad guy at all; more of an idealist, in fact; but he seems to believe that the ends justify the means, and will stop at nothing to see his plan through, including having deals with Menesch (as well as with Lynch, Lang, Kroiz...). But mobs deal with pirates, not with retros. Menesch, as corrupted as he is, he's a politician, not a seasoned mobster. He's no idea what he's getting himself into. Even corrupt Confeds cut him off when he began to deal with the retros. What does he do? Make a deal with the kats... Maybe he thought it clever, but thing is, he's rocking the boat too much: Mobs didn't refuse to deal with retros because they were retros, but because if they dealt with retros, the confeds would cancel their deals on them. Besides, there's nothing wrong with pirates knowing there's always some group out there trying to buy talons with a moneflow from religious donations, and feeling secure about getting a good resale price, eventually; is there? And, presumably, the mobs can also buy ships directly from manufacturers (under the table, of course). If it's true that mining is mainly controlled by the mobs, they got ship manufacturers in a vice: Demand-side they are the ones who resell them to the pirates; supply side they control the ores. And they can pit the Confeds illegally selling decomissioned craft against the manufacturers' new ships, to get good prices off both. So here comes this guy, and BOOM!; cheap Kilrathi-made ships flooding the market from the retro side... No wonder Lynch hates Menesch!

Q18: What about whistle blowers?

  • Tolwyn controls the Black Operations Group who are so secretive they don't know themselves.
  • You probably wouldn't stick your nose unless it itches sooo badly...

A18: Whistles make no sound outside an air lock.

But now, what about militias?

There are two kinds of militias: Confed funded and controlled, and local militias. Confed militias are the ones scanning you for contraband. The ones fighting pirates are local ones.

The Confeds are officially against the pirates, but they wouldn't try to kill their customers, would they? Nor would they have their minion militias do so. But somebody has to fight the pirates, or else they wouldn't need ships! Okay, well, let the local funded militias do so. Right? Who's paying for the local militias? Well, the confed funded militias probably have some nominal aid program by which they match any money donated privately with an equal amount on their part; I'm just speculating. Private biz have good reasons to donate to militias... But so do the mobs, to prevent un-planned instances of law enforcement happening. That's why, probably, there are 'hunters': When something really needs to be done, forget underpaid militias with too many conflicting interests to juggle; just hire someone who will do the job single-mindedly. But who are the main employers of hunters?

You'd think the merchants Guild, but no: The Merchants' Guild hire their own memebers for bounty missions. Why? Because the Merchants' Guild is too big to be messing with dealing with one case of piracy at a time. They need a blanket solution, and so what they do is pay a monthly fee to the mobs and/or pirates in exchange for blanket safety to their ships. Not that they don't get attacked by independent pirates, but that they can manage with their own bounty relishing members.

So who? Corporations, mostly. Sometimes mobs. Sometimes militias. There's one thing about hunters, though: They have a Guild. The Guild won't allow member hunters to hunt other member hunters for a fee. So the Guild has policies. They have good paying customers with repeat business, like Azuma Weapons, and they get priority. And no one would get a job ad against the interests of Azuma Weapons posted on their network no matter how much they'd be willing to pay, probably. If they have no preference on a browl, first come first served, last come no served. That's why Murphy can't get hunters to run the Palan blockade. Only by the last mission she gets two useless local militias who are there only to show their smiling faces for the media.

The Hunters Guild is big business, and big business leaves a lot of niches to be filled. Murphy is probably 'ex-militia', working now for the Merchants Guild, in charge of trading lanes safety where the blanket coverage by bribes paid to mobs and pirates doesn't suffice. She probably never gets hunters to work for her simply because the Hunters Guild serves everybody BUT the Merchants Guild, because the Merchants Guild usually hire their own members. This used to suffice, pretty much, and her job used to be easy and relaxed, behind a big mohogany desk; but since Menesch is in the picture, the underground market is flooded with Talons, independent pirates are growing like mushrooms, and she really has to work her ass off. Unable to count on Guild hunters, she's left with only Privateers and local militias to hire for the work needing to be done. Nightmare scenario. So Menesch may not be her enemy or her official target, but he's really a 'thorn on her side'.


Righteous Fire

(To be done)